tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post4027352684443846461..comments2010-08-05T05:42:35.911-07:00Comments on Leclaire's 6th Hour Honors American Lit Blog: The Village: Day 2Kristin Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15076857976818237278noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-51050726065191327672008-09-29T10:02:00.000-07:002008-09-29T10:02:00.000-07:00So obviously red is a symbol of fear and of pain a...So obviously red is a symbol of fear and of pain and of the unknown. It is interesting how the connection every one has to each other is pain of their past.<BR/>The woods symbolize the unknown, and the holding on to the past and selfishness.<BR/>I think Lucious wasn't more afraid because he wasn't terrified of death and was willing to sacrifice for his town. Also he realized how much power can be created by fear and so without letting that fear rule him he had power over the creatures.<BR/>If I was ivy I would have responded the same way. I mean she didn't know it was Noah and if she did that would have been even scarier.rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04332243284089791756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-56637702342956943642008-09-29T07:17:00.000-07:002008-09-29T07:17:00.000-07:00Mainly, I have pretty much noticed what everyone a...Mainly, I have pretty much noticed what everyone already said. But the mystery to me, is if there is any meaning behind Lucius' name...whether or not he is named that for a reason?roserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04232751482663420630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-44121233522418971212008-09-28T18:01:00.001-07:002008-09-28T18:01:00.001-07:00I did not see a post for our Friday blog so I will...I did not see a post for our Friday blog so I will post it here. <BR/><BR/>I am not sure what you guys all think, but I think that is is odd that Ivy's dad does not want their village to be shown the new way of life. I thought that it was very odd that nobody has questioned as to why they cannot go into the woods, and why they don't try to trap the creatures. Also, I was insure why exactly Noah killed Lucics. Was there some reason, or was it completely random?chelseashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05765067948147092212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-38978926687373064992008-09-28T18:01:00.000-07:002008-09-28T18:01:00.000-07:00So some of the motifs that I noticed were the wind...So some of the motifs that I noticed were the wind, the colors red/yellow, and the forest. I think that the wind represents change, the colors we already know what they mean (red=danger and yellow=safe color), and the wind like someone else said means fear of the unknown. <BR/><BR/>I know that we were talking about in class how Ivy's hair is suppose to be very red and also her lips, but is this?<BR/><BR/>Does anyone think that Ivy saw Noah as red, since he went and did that bad thing?<BR/><BR/>I think that I would have reacted the same way as Ivy did if the love of my life had almost just been murdered. But in a way I can't help but feel bad for Noah.KatePhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05494026803062056112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-11983315887937623312008-09-28T12:53:00.000-07:002008-09-28T12:53:00.000-07:00I don't know if you guys were listening to the wor...I don't know if you guys were listening to the words Ivy was singing to her sister when she got rejected by Lucius but these were them: <BR/><BR/>"Baby sleep, gently sleep<BR/>Life is long and love is deep<BR/>Time will be, sweet for thee<BR/>All the world to see<BR/>Time to look about and know<BR/>Though the shadows come and go<BR/>How the breeze, stirs the trees<BR/>How the blossoms grow..."<BR/><BR/>Now for one, she mentions how the breeze stirs the trees and the shadows come and go. You can tell she is foreshadowing as to what happens...because if the beasts did "attack" or something, it wouldn't be much to fear. They have their innocence and little village, it will stay pure.<BR/><BR/>Noah intrigues me...as a young mentally retarded man. I'm interested as to why he would be so interested in the color red. First he finds the red berries. He always seems to have a little red color hidden on him. And Lucius's blood fascinated him, even though it also scared him. One of my questions was, "Why was Noah so fascinated by the color red? Was it because, as it was forbidden, he was naturally curious as to why, and had no conceptions to the consequences?"<BR/><BR/>I also noticed that the "creatures" had to be given sacrifices. I was wondering why the villagers decided on doing that. Was there some sign as to why they should?<BR/><BR/>My personal belief is that Lucius is simply not satisfied with life in the village. He is not willing to make his life routine and boring on account of some creatures. I believe that, instead of hiding, he felt that he just wanted to be left alone and left to his own devices, more or less.Maddie T.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01424816639615348714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-26084566701137434392008-09-28T12:17:00.000-07:002008-09-28T12:17:00.000-07:00I don't know about you guys, but I think Lucious i...I don't know about you guys, but I think Lucious is kind of suspicious in his actions. He is kind of quiet and doesn't really talk much. I also don't get what the "warnings" are from "the ones they don't speak of." The livestock is being skinned or whatever? What are they warning them of? I was also wondering about Noah. He seemed like he really struggled with killing Lucious. I mean he started crying and all of that. Why did he kill him?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132707806728429150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-87967132576809358212008-09-26T06:14:00.000-07:002008-09-26T06:14:00.000-07:00In my oppinion, the wind represents what society t...In my oppinion, the wind represents what society thinks is evil. Whenever the citizens begin to talk about a somewhat controvercial topic, when "it" shows up, or in the woods, the wind suddenly pciks up and fear begins to amount in the people.<BR/><BR/>I have a bunch of questions that have already been answered, but one that hasn't been answered just yet is "What did the funerel have to do with setting up the plot?"AustinDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14419615316614471427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-12333451783573127502008-09-25T21:59:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:59:00.000-07:00In response to emilyj- I think that she said she c...In response to emilyj- I think that she said she can see the colors of people, not inanimate objects. She really can't see anything except for people's auras, and only certain people at that. I still think Lucius's color could be and probably is red, since to me it seems like he has a connection to the monsters.macmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15215247353867765730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-22771162348737573222008-09-25T21:54:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:54:00.000-07:00M. Night Shyamalan is all about symbolism and hidd...M. Night Shyamalan is all about symbolism and hidden connections. I have noticed that, like the crucible, there are not a lot of colors in the village. However, there are the two colors, red (bad) and yellow (good). I always thin kthat there is a strong connection between good and evil, and I feel like there are still hidden secrets about the villagers connecting them to those of whom they do not speak. Like lots of others I also thought that fire was a reoccuring theme, and I found it ironic that while it was used to ward of the creatures, it was red and therefore attracted them.<BR/>A question I had was; Why does Lucius always appear when the thing they do not speak of are near? And realy, why is he not somewhat scared of oblivion? I also wanted to know if you guys thought the "magic rocks" were real, or simply given to them to make them believe that everything was going to be OK? If so, it would mean that they believe Lucius about the being scared and innocent while traveling through the woods. He must know something! How else could he escape the beasties?macmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15215247353867765730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-34885385271890074342008-09-25T21:52:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:52:00.000-07:00After watching half this film, I aboslutely love i...After watching half this film, I aboslutely love it! It is so interesting watching and wondering what the director's purpose was in everything. So far, I sense fear everywhere in the village. Everyone seems to be on edge, except the elders. I think it is interesting to see the difference between the elders and the regualr people. Also, the wind and the weather are really interesting. They seem to always represent some emotion taking place. Such as the wind when something that will change the course of the village happens and the fog when Ivy and Lucius confess their love. <BR/><BR/>What do you guys think of "they who we do not mention"? What are they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-4968171551628179262008-09-25T21:19:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:19:00.000-07:00First of all I love this movie! I find it pretty e...First of all I love this movie! I find it pretty easy to see things that have possible symbolism and metaphors but really hard to figure out what those symbols and metaphors are! <BR/><BR/>But I think that Ivy’s blindness could be symbolic of her ability to trust what she feels and knows and not trust what she sees. This could be helpful when she has to look deeper and piece tings together but not just look at what in front of her face. <BR/><BR/>I think it was really interesting what Lucif said about the secrets in the town, I have a feeling that will have something to do with the ending. But it reminded of the Crucible because of John and Abigail and their secrets. That also reminded me of Desperate Housewives, everyone’s secrets have an affect on the whole community. <BR/><BR/>I noticed the weather is always gloomy and I think it might be like the towns fear is always cast over their everyday lives. Its always hovering above them affecting them even when they don’t acknowledge it.jordanshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16197103537470463100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-89835306395715461772008-09-25T21:04:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:04:00.000-07:00I've noticed that red equals the 'bad' color. The ...I've noticed that red equals the 'bad' color. The creatures are completely dressed in red and anything red in the village has to be buried and disposed of. Also, yellow symoblizes the 'safety' color. For some reason it wards off the creatures and keeps the people safe. <BR/><BR/>Another thing that could be seen as a symbol is how the town is covered in secrets. It might not be many secrets either, just one big secret. I think this is what the whole movie is about. The big secret of the town. <BR/><BR/>melissaz- I also noticed the connection with the hands, especially Noah's. He's always holding something red in his hands, whether it's the berries or Lucius's blood.<BR/><BR/>I've noticed that both in The Crucible and The Village, both of the societies are controlled by fear. Secrecy is also a big part of both societies. In The Crucible, none of the girls want to get caught with what they were doing so they blamed it on everyone else using witchcraft, keeping what they did themselves a secret. I don't want to give anything away about The Village, but their society is also comletely controlled by a big secret.meganuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11445318662961125308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-8596814137903745402008-09-25T21:02:00.000-07:002008-09-25T21:02:00.000-07:00So I have a couple questions to start off with:Why...So I have a couple questions to start off with:<BR/><BR/>Why wouldn't Ivy tell Lucius his color?<BR/>And I would have to disagree with Lucius's color being red because when Ivy held the red berries, she didn't know she was holding the "dangerous color" until Lucius told her. If she couldn't see the color red then, how could she see it in Lucius? Just my opinion.<BR/><BR/>Also, what was the pact made by all the elderly about not entering the forest that was being referenced? I'm confused as to exactly what the pact was and why they made it. Did something terrible happen in the past with the elderly and "those they don't speak of?".EmilyJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13920582438893890921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-49320720667886752312008-09-25T20:42:00.000-07:002008-09-25T20:42:00.000-07:00O Yeah, some really big motif's that i noticed whe...O Yeah, some really big motif's that i noticed where the fact that whenever something dramatic or evil/bad is going to happen, the weather gets all messed up. The wind especially seems to be bad. I know that we stopped when it was raining in the forest, so maybe that will have to do with something that will come next!!MattNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07461795084682756926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-29958114093280215552008-09-25T20:41:00.000-07:002008-09-25T20:41:00.000-07:00WOO HOO First boy to post!! Well I have a lot of ...WOO HOO First boy to post!! Well I have a lot of similar questions, and I would like to respond to some. First off, if I was Ivy, I would hvae totally gone off on Noah, even though he acts like he doesn't know what he is doing, i think he really knows and chooses to go against his conscience. His superego is kind of defective. <BR/>QUESTIONS:<BR/>How did Ivy become Blind?<BR/>Why did Noah try to stab Lucius in the first place. <BR/>What do you think will happen to Ivy and her friend in the woods? Will they find other villages on earth?<BR/>Will Lucius survive?<BR/><BR/>I find this to be a very interesting movie and i am very anxious to see what comes next.MattNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07461795084682756926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-11018177724819750032008-09-25T20:26:00.000-07:002008-09-25T20:26:00.000-07:00Having already seen this movie, I am noticing more...Having already seen this movie, I am noticing more and more motifs and 'clues' if you will, the farther into it that we get! Very exciting! One of the connections to The Crucible that I noticed today was the small children claiming to have seen 'The Thing They Do Not Speak Of' within the village. Much of the dialogue associated with this reminded me of The Crucible, things like "Are you absolutely certain?" and others.<BR/><BR/>A large motif that I have been picking up on has been the use of light. We hardly ever see Lucius in the light, especially in crows, or in intense moments, parts of his face are hidden. Also, things that they are scared of are in the dark, like the box of secrets in Lucius' house. Something I wonder about with this is the fact that the forest in this movie is oddly light, being composed of aspen trees rather then the typically scarier pines and other dark timber. The forest seems to be one of the main places of fear for the villagers, yet it is light. I wonder what the importance of this could be.MollyShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08444768120063775918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-31525234672993037022008-09-25T20:09:00.000-07:002008-09-25T20:09:00.000-07:00So far I'm taking from the film all the symbols th...So far I'm taking from the film all the symbols they are giving. There;s so many like the blue rocking chair, the color red, the girl's blind colors, the color yellow, the dead animals, and more.<BR/><BR/>Well if I hadn't known the next question was about symbols and motifs I wouldn't of answered it already but it's there above.<BR/><BR/>I notice that evil lurks in mysterious ways. That evil is hidden and never physically shown to the full eye. Also, the people's reactions to the bell we're frantic. Kind of like when they heard of witchcraft in the town.<BR/><BR/>What happened to the village in the first place that made them fear "the others"? <BR/><BR/>Is The girl's blindness from the other creatures?<BR/><BR/>Why is it when anything bad has been committed, something bad is foreshadowed, or someone has committed an act of such, they end up in the blue rocking chair?kennawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03343060798713548405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-24422128596535967202008-09-25T19:00:00.000-07:002008-09-25T19:00:00.000-07:00Chealsea - Another reason (I just thought of this ...Chealsea - Another reason (I just thought of this one while reading your post) I think that yellow is a safe color is because it does stand for cowardice. If the people in the village would just own up to their fears and face them, they wouldn't have to hide from those who they do not speak of.<BR/><BR/><BR/>More importantly, I think that those who they do not speak of are just taking advantage of the cowardice and ignorance of the people of the village. Most of this is mental; I highly doubt that in the end those who they do not speak of will turn out to be actually evil creatures.morganwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18430313351151318139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-1468171639777997952008-09-25T18:56:00.000-07:002008-09-25T18:56:00.000-07:00Also, just for clarification, Noah is not a normal...Also, just for clarification, Noah is not a normal guy. The entire reason Lucious wanted to leave to the towns in the first place was to get medicine for Noah. Noah is, in some way, mentally unstable, which is why he stabbed (Lucious isn't dead yet!) Lucious. Okay, he probably had some strong emotion, didn't know how to deal with it, and without fully realizing and understanding what he was doing, stabbed Lucious. On that note, I do not think that there were any underlying motives or schemes that Noah had or was planning. I simply think he is mentally ill and therefore, didn't know how to control himself.<BR/><BR/>So, great connection to the crucible Amy, but I don't think Noah had even slightly near the mental capacity of Abigail and I don't think he would be able to "scheme" either.morganwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18430313351151318139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-28041350589180359982008-09-25T18:50:00.000-07:002008-09-25T18:50:00.000-07:00Okay. One thing I've noticed is the theme of light...Okay. One thing I've noticed is the theme of light vs. dark.<BR/><BR/>Also, to answer someones question, I think yellow is a good color becaue it symbolizes light. And light is what guards the borderlands into the forest and what seems to keep everyone safe. Light is also what Ivy sees. <BR/><BR/>One thing that was weird for me was how my opinions of "those we do not speak of" changed when they started doing warnings without killing any people. For some strange reason that made me have a sort of respect for the creatures. It seemed to me that they weren't all evil because they had, one, been willing to start a truce in the first place, and ,two, were willing to give these people a chance to leave before they unleashed their fury. It also made me realize that "those we do not speak of" must be a civilization of some sort because they have the organization to wear red cloaks, work together, and respect truces. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, they are still creepy and demented, but after today I'm surprisingly much less frightened of them.morganwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18430313351151318139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-52067296030314006872008-09-25T18:24:00.000-07:002008-09-25T18:24:00.000-07:00I was just reading Amy's post, and I just thought ...I was just reading Amy's post, and I just thought of something. Fire is a large symbol. And fire is made of YELLOW and RED. I don't know if this has anything to do with anything, but just a thought.KiraWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09254379644908141311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-7353788142229760862008-09-25T18:20:00.001-07:002008-09-25T18:20:00.001-07:00First of all to all of you, I don't think that Luc...First of all to all of you, I don't think that Lucius is dead. He was stabbed, but that does not mean that he is dead, and althought this society is a bit strange, I don't think that they would sew up a dead man and keep him in the "hospital" and let people go in and talk to him. *And no, I have never seen this movie before, so if he is actually dead, sorry*<BR/><BR/>I think that this movie is PACKED with symbolisim. There is so much that can be infered. I think that the color red is the bad color because it is the color of blood and it is can be associated with death. Also, I think that yellow may be the color because it is symbolic of cowardlyness and they seem to be in a small way cowards in the fact that they are too scared to go into the woods. <BR/><BR/>In responce to Olivia's question, I had the same thought as Melissa. I think that his color is red. I think that it is red because he has a curiosity for the unknown and in that society, the somewhat unattainable. He himself is a mystery, and so are "the ones of witch we do not speak".KiraWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09254379644908141311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-58101114529780838322008-09-25T18:20:00.000-07:002008-09-25T18:20:00.000-07:00I don't really have anymore symbols that I noticed...I don't really have anymore symbols that I noticed that haven't been mencioned. I know what Melissa was talking about with the hands. In the Village they seem to represent connection. <BR/><BR/>Alex- Noah Isn't Ivy's brother. Just another boy who lives in the village.<BR/><BR/>I think yellow is used so much because it is a bright color like the sun. And things usually seem brighter ans safer in the light. But red is the color of bloodshed and death.Ryadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16518319620437884931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-23788828530021478002008-09-25T17:49:00.000-07:002008-09-25T17:49:00.000-07:00Everyone, I am so impressed with the connections a...Everyone, I am so impressed with the connections and symbols you have all noticed; ones I had never thought of. <BR/><BR/>One thing that I seemed to notice is the importance of the hands. When Ivy was going to find Lucius, her hand was read. When Noah was rocking on the porch, his hands were covered in blood. It just seems like the hands have a very hidden importance. Anyone else in Smith's class last year would be able to relate to the hands connection in Macbeth. <BR/><BR/>And obviously the colors, red and yellow are very strong symbols. They, in a way, represent good and evil in a way most literature does not use. Normally it is plain and simple, black and white. <BR/><BR/>In both The Crucible and this movie, the societies seem to be dicatated by the fear of the unknown. Granted, in The Curcible, it is less rational, but both communities live in fear of what may happen. <BR/><BR/>Olivia- Ok, this is really out there but this is what I think about Lucius' color. When Ivy was holding Lucius after he had died, she told her father when he walked in that she did not want anyone to see his color. First, how would she know the color of blood and be able to tell the extent of his bleeding to say to the town she did not want them to see this blood? I think that Lucius' color was red, and when he was kind of "cut open" she did not want this sacred bit of knowledge, his color, to be shown to the world. It was kind of like his color now would be shown through his blood. Plus, this color is something that the town fears already. So yes, I am a little crazy but that's what I thought of when I heard her say that. <BR/><BR/>I don't know about anyone else, but I was terribly sad when Noah killed Lucius. Lucius seemed like an amazing character that could really further the story. Why did Noah continue to stab Luciuc like he were some animal? <BR/><BR/>One big question I have is, does Noah or will Noah ever regret what he has done to Lucius? <BR/><BR/>Thanks!melissazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16884058721407885822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-67411407472090735612008-09-25T17:37:00.000-07:002008-09-25T17:37:00.000-07:00I think that the color yellow is definitely a symb...I think that the color yellow is definitely a symbol. Its their "good" color, I just don't understand how it was decided that and why. I also think that the chair that is on Ivy's porch is a symbol. <BR/>Connections to The Crucible that I have made are that every society needs a scapegoat. For The Crucible, everything bad is traced back to witches, In The Village, everything bad is blamed on the "ones we don't speak of". Otherwise, without those creatures, they believe they are very well off. <BR/>Some questions:<BR/>How did everyone get to this village? Did they just one day decide to pack up their lives and move out to the middle of nowhere?<BR/>Do you think that "the ones we don't speak of" had anything to do with Ivy's blindness?<BR/>What is with the baby pigs? I know that they are traces of the monsters from the woods, but what significance are baby pigs (or whatever they are...)?<BR/>And finally, why did Mr. Walker tell Ivy to try not to scream too loud?shannanphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05423102894439816711noreply@blogger.com