tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post1585748253036899859..comments2010-08-05T05:42:35.911-07:00Comments on Leclaire's 6th Hour Honors American Lit Blog: Gatsby Fishbowl: Chapter 3Kristin Lhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15076857976818237278noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-83030731660672997462009-04-16T15:00:00.001-07:002009-04-16T15:00:00.001-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04332243284089791756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-53795679234579124032009-04-16T15:00:00.000-07:002009-04-16T15:00:00.000-07:00Okay so I think that Gatsby is trying to say that ...Okay so I think that Gatsby is trying to say that a lot of love in this society is only for look and that it is selfish. The affairs really bug me and I think that Fitzgerald is trying to make the point that marrige isn't respected any more. Marriage seems to be just for a sense of belonging and control something to go back to at the end of the day. The main problem with this is that what one does during the day is what truly matters. I think that all of the relationships in this book are made out of lust and longing for acceptance, not out of love or respect. All of these marriages are built on nothing they are in the clouds and will disappear when a rainstorm comes. Gatsby was a great character to me. He seems like someone who wants everyone to have a good time but doesn't need the credit for it. I think he is a very unique character with a true heart. All of the people around him seem to be incredibly immature but he seems to know what he is doing and where he is going in life. I think he hates money and that is why he is using it for huge parties. It all goes back to competition in the society, he doesn't have an attachment or love for money at all but he cares what the society says and therefore follows the standards. I think this book proves that the American dream is... stupid. Eat drink and be merry is in no way a road to happiness. To me Gatsby represents the person who follows the American dream in the eyes of society but in reality is clinging on to something more. One thing that bugs me about this book is that the people don’t realize that they have nothing. Money is just paper and possessions don't in the long run matter. F.S.F. is making the point that true happiness comes from true love and sacrifice not from living in the fake worldliness of society.rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04332243284089791756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-89081373416965729592009-04-10T20:20:00.000-07:002009-04-10T20:20:00.000-07:00This is my make-up blog.@matt- I don't think Gatsb...This is my make-up blog.<BR/><BR/>@matt- I don't think Gatsby looks like some old guy trying to regain his youth. I just think at this point in the story, Fitzgerald wanted him to appear very mysterious. I know the reason as to why he threw all the parties now, but at the time I would have thought that he threw all the parties to cover up some inner turmoil. That is why I believe he didn't participate in his own party.<BR/><BR/>@kira- I think that Fitzgerald may have just been portraying women as how they were actually treated back then. However, I think that we have seen all of the characters (even the men) acting a little on the crazy side. I'm sure the women will probably gain a bigger, more sophisticated role in the book later on.<BR/><BR/>@Parker - I think Fitzgerald is using all of the affairs to prove the type of culture and inner agitation the society has. The affairs could simply symbolize that people that live there are happy on the outside, especially in their marraiges, but on the inside they just long for adventure and change. Their hearts can't be pinned down, they need to wander.marissashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384782697017545052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-13237261575847160142009-04-10T08:23:00.000-07:002009-04-10T08:23:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.marissashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02384782697017545052noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-28426619183393925112009-04-06T10:51:00.000-07:002009-04-06T10:51:00.000-07:00MattN and CateM~I think that Gatsby threw all the ...MattN and CateM~<BR/>I think that Gatsby threw all the parties because he enjoys making others happy. Honestly, the fact that he just stood there, didn’t drink, and didn’t have affairs with other women show that he’s a genuine man that enjoys company. Cate, it could be to diminish his loneliness, and there isn’t really anything wrong with it! It’s always fun throwing parties and meeting new people. Maybe it’s just it – that he wants to meet new people…?<BR/><BR/>KiraW~<BR/>I actually never noticed that FSF made all the women in his book bubbly/stupid, bubbly/bored, or liars. Maybe FSF suggested this about women because he had such problems in his marriage and could never just settle with one woman. (Zelda and his “girlfriend”) Maybe he’s trying to say that there is not one woman who is perfect, so sometimes, the more the merrier? (Even though that’s a horrible attitude!) <BR/><BR/>KateP/SabrinaD~<BR/>I agree that it was strange that Gatsby has been kept such a secret, while rumors of his past float around his guests. Why does Gatsby allow this to happen? Does he have something to hide in his past, or is he just very carefree and forgiving? Also, did anyone find it strange that the characters in this book just invite anyone anywhere? For example, at the party that Nick went with Tom to, the drunken man kept suggesting that he and Nick go out to lunch together. Also, Nick had only talked to Gatsby for abut two minutes when Gatsby said, “Want to go with me, old sport? Just near the shore along the Sound” (Fitzgerald pg 47 non-gold). In this quote, he was asking Nick whether he wanted to go with Gatsby to fly a hydroplane. Now while this is very nice, did anyone else find it strange that he just randomly invited Nick along? <BR/><BR/>KiraW~<BR/>I agree that a theme in this book in loneliness. This is because Tom is lonely/unsatisfied with Daisy, so he has an affair with Myrtle; Daisy is lonely because Tom is cheating on her; Nick is lonely because he is homesick and bored; Jordan is lonely because she has no prominent man in her life (which is consumed with golf); Gatsby is lonely because he lives in a huge mansion all by himself. But so far, all the “lonely” are fixing their problems… Tom has found a new woman and Nick and Jordan are sort of a “thing.” How then, will Daisy and Gatsby overcome their loneliness? <BR/><BR/>MeganU~<BR/>I like the idea of Gatsby throwing the parties to get to know a particular person, but why would he throw the party to get to know Nick? After all, Nick has only so far been invited to one/two parties and lives RIGHT next door to Gatsby. Maybe then, Gatsby is trying to get to know someone else? Who else though? Maybe Jordan? But why?alexfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00945327406690770767noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-74234767208692271352009-04-03T13:15:00.003-07:002009-04-03T13:15:00.003-07:00Amy, I personally don't think Gatsby is smug at al...Amy, I personally don't think Gatsby is smug at all. Just lonely and broken.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12756426265527503133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-13234985984330774632009-04-03T13:15:00.002-07:002009-04-03T13:15:00.002-07:00MaddieF-That is a way that I definitely haven't lo...MaddieF-That is a way that I definitely haven't looked at the story. Thank you for that new perspective. I absolutely agree that the narrator cannot be trusted. But if you really think about it, can anyone always be trusted, so when can and cannot Nick be trusted, are there certain circumstances?shannanphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05423102894439816711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-71760234015970307632009-04-03T13:15:00.001-07:002009-04-03T13:15:00.001-07:00Maddie-I can see why you're confused. We all know ...Maddie-<BR/>I can see why you're confused. We all know they're fictional, but we're trying to talk about whether or not they put up a fake front of sorts. A "real" person shows how they really are, but a "fake" person hides who they truly are. That help?ParkerHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768507795445854018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-50004589918792637952009-04-03T13:15:00.000-07:002009-04-03T13:15:00.000-07:00maddief---He's literally more real than everyone e...maddief---He's literally more real than everyone else because he doesn't have a facade and he's detached.amywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690923943625016100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-34002324804048058572009-04-03T13:14:00.003-07:002009-04-03T13:14:00.003-07:00Amy - I know he always throws these parties, but d...Amy - I know he always throws these parties, but do you think it would be a theme to get to know a specific person at each party?meganuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11445318662961125308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-67205739612030542792009-04-03T13:14:00.002-07:002009-04-03T13:14:00.002-07:00Thanks Liz... sorryThanks Liz... sorrycatemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04089144759362588600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-73798918854699573862009-04-03T13:14:00.001-07:002009-04-03T13:14:00.001-07:00meganu - OOH!! I like that too! That is such a g...meganu - OOH!! I like that too! That is such a good prediction. Maybe it has something to do with his job since we have no information of his work. That is such an interesting thought.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-51723533084763292882009-04-03T13:14:00.000-07:002009-04-03T13:14:00.000-07:00Whitney- Yes, that's exactly what I thought. I jus...Whitney- Yes, that's exactly what I thought. I just think that when you are in a crowd, people aren't trying to figure you out or try to figure out your life, they don't care. It is easier to hide things when people aren't trying to get it out of you.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00132707806728429150noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-55715719616599784082009-04-03T13:13:00.004-07:002009-04-03T13:13:00.004-07:00Parker! Yeah that seems veryh real! Everyone else...Parker! Yeah that seems veryh real! Everyone else that participates in the books events all seem hazy and unreal because of the not so realiableness of the narrator! Jordan is being dishonest! And because Nick likes that, he is contradicting himself...which makes him kinda sketch and toward the not real side!MattNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07461795084682756926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-79653681226157685392009-04-03T13:13:00.003-07:002009-04-03T13:13:00.003-07:00meganu---He always throws parties, so I don't thin...meganu---He always throws parties, so I don't think it was just to get to know the narrator. I think he's almost throwing them to show himself how great he is compared to everyone else---he's detached, doesn't drink, doesn't mingle with anyone at the parties. I think it's a form of smugness.amywhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05690923943625016100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-27976714813001211042009-04-03T13:13:00.002-07:002009-04-03T13:13:00.002-07:00Liz-Yeah... just a heads up, it is "facade" (with ...Liz-<BR/>Yeah... just a heads up, it is "facade" (with some weird french squiggly on the 'c').ParkerHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768507795445854018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-71603759797290275772009-04-03T13:13:00.001-07:002009-04-03T13:13:00.001-07:00Agh, Amy help me, I'm confused! All of this re...Agh, Amy help me, I'm confused! All of this real talk is making my head hurt! >.< Do we mean literally or figuratively real? I know their fictional because they're in a book, but does real refer to being honest, or Nick having hallucinations? XDmaddiefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07104501383552001025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-86253214674436481002009-04-03T13:13:00.000-07:002009-04-03T13:13:00.000-07:00Cate- we discussed the car thing near the beginnin...Cate- we discussed the car thing near the beginning I'm pretty sure. No offense :)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12756426265527503133noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-3941241732084041022009-04-03T13:12:00.003-07:002009-04-03T13:12:00.003-07:00Morant - I agree! And I think he is also making a...Morant - I agree! And I think he is also making a point about people. People tend to be a part of crowds in order to hide who they really are. I just thought it was a really interesting point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-70048419929020695202009-04-03T13:12:00.002-07:002009-04-03T13:12:00.002-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.catemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04089144759362588600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-2309978715766688532009-04-03T13:12:00.001-07:002009-04-03T13:12:00.001-07:00Matt-I thought Jordan was being the dishonest one....Matt-<BR/>I thought Jordan was being the dishonest one. Am I wrong?ParkerHhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00768507795445854018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-85379951805088827432009-04-03T13:12:00.000-07:002009-04-03T13:12:00.000-07:00Why do you guys think that Fitzgerald included the...Why do you guys think that Fitzgerald included the car crashing in the ditch? It just seemed kind of random. Any ideas?catemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04089144759362588600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-59848739993781227212009-04-03T13:11:00.002-07:002009-04-03T13:11:00.002-07:00CateM- I actually had that connection of Nick to H...CateM- I actually had that connection of Nick to Holden at the end of the chapter when Nick was talking about his love for Jordan because he was so unsure, yet so passionate about it.shannanphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05423102894439816711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-48811568256551765692009-04-03T13:11:00.001-07:002009-04-03T13:11:00.001-07:00I really liked what the inner circle just talked a...I really liked what the inner circle just talked about. Do you think that the parties were just for Gatsby to get to know certain people? Do you think he threw that party just to get to know the narrator? And if so, why would he want to get to know the narrator?meganuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11445318662961125308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1556972819704554909.post-43416205824624199592009-04-03T13:11:00.000-07:002009-04-03T13:11:00.000-07:00Delaney- Personally, I think that the narrator is ...Delaney- Personally, I think that the narrator is very real. I believe that Fitzgerald would have wanted an honest person to tell the story so that you can see the fasad (spelling? haha) of all the liars. If a liar told the story then the perception would not be even close to how it is now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12756426265527503133noreply@blogger.com